#john fraser roberts

[tenth-sentence]

Like Fisher, whose disciple he became, Roberts was a political and religious conservative – raised a Methodist, he developed strong Roman Catholic inclinations and compromised on the Church of England – and he inclined to a reform eugenics compatible with his scientific knowledge and social temperament.

"In the Name of Eugenics: Genetics and the Uses of Human Heredity" - Daniel J. Kevles

[javelinbk]

On this day in 1969, Paul McCartney tortured two men at once

Paul McCartney, Denis O'Dell and Robert Fraser during recording sessions for Let It Be, 23rd January 1969

Paul flirting with Denis O’Dell, trousers unbuttoned (so he doesn’t ’scratch his guitar’), arse in the air, while Robert Fraser waits patiently for them to ‘go home’, Paul making it up to him with a hand on his arm…

Sounds about right

[the-jovial-jester]

✨️The beatles incorrect texts ✨️

[hermajestythesun]

i think the beatles fandom needs to look into the role of robert fraser more. his closeness with paul? their secret trips? paul and john encountering yoko at his gallery before john started dating her? robert’s role in the development on sgt. pepper? i highkey think that john might have been jealous of paul’s *connection* with robert in a way that impacted john’s relationship with paul more than we may think…

[chaoticdesertdweller]

Marianne Faithfull attends John Lennon's first art exhibit, "You Are Here." Robert Fraser Art Gallery, 1 July 1968.

📸 "Spanish" Tony Sanchez

[strwbryfeels]

[beatleskinkmeme]

1970s - a recently divorced paul mccartney travels to nyc with robert fraser and they just keep running into john and yoko. john is confused/paranoid/jealous about paul's relationship with fraser.

Filled Here

[mikyapixie]

𝟑 𝐲𝐞𝐚𝐫𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐨 𝐭𝐨𝐝𝐚𝐲 𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐚𝐭𝐦𝐚𝐧 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐬!!

𝐓𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐞𝐪𝐮𝐞𝐥 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐬𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐎𝐜𝐭𝐨𝐛𝐞𝐫 𝟐𝟎𝟐𝟕!!

[bambi-kinos]

I'm going to ask some meaningless questions. Do you think Paul has had sexual relationship with other men? Do you think John was his first male sexual partner? Sometimes I think it could be, because they are best friends. Sometimes I don't think so, because John's control over Paul is too strong, leading Paul to have a strong defensive mindset towards him.

Tl;dr - I do think Paul has hooked up with other men and maybe even dated but I don't think it's anyone that he was publicly friends with.

When it comes to Paul and sex with other men, that's still a black hole making us go "wtf." Technically Paul's first sexual experiences with other men were the group circlejerks and that's actually a very common initiation experience for guys. (All men are spiritually gay. Joking...or am I?) That being said it's pretty safe to say that John was Paul's first one on one experience with another guy. John is the only person Paul trusted enough for that, Paul otherwise does rapid risk assessments and usually (though not always) decides that it's not worth it. Paul does like physical risk and adrenaline but that's more like stuntman stuff. I don't think Paul has sex with other men unless he trusts them absolutely or otherwise has reason to think he won't be harmed by it. That narrows Paul's candidate pool considerably.

I think Paul is really too canny to hook up with anyone he had public ties with. He has a quote floating around where he makes fun of the press because he knew they were looking for a secret flat and a secret mistress hidden away in it and that he was proud of strategizing around that by living with the Ashers for as long as he did. He said that all of his hook ups (with women) were done by going back to the lady's home and doing it there. So he dodged media scandal by simply not having a secret flat with a mistress and a love child hidden away.

I think that Paul would handle his male hook ups the same way. I think that he would be similarly cold and calculating like he is with his female hook ups. He makes sure there is no smoking gun. I find it telling that we only have two real examples of potential datemates for Paul that aren't John: Robert Fraser and Denny Laine. And I believe they're both disqualified based off of what we know about Paul's preferences and his canniness, at least in the context of this specific question.

I don't think that Paul had sex with Robert Fraser because 1) they were friends and 2) Bob was gay. That meant he was the obvious choice for public speculation about Paul having a gay fling. Which meant he was no choice at all in real world terms. That's not to say Paul didn't enjoy manipulating Fraser or that he wasn't willing to dangle the chance at sex in front of him as a carrot to make Fraser do what Paul wanted, but something I've noticed about Groovy Bob is that he was extremely sycophantic and a wet noodle. Paul doesn't respect a suck up. Paul respects people who are good at getting what they want and that wasn't Fraser. He didn't have much in terms of what I would call a backbone, though that doesn't mean he wasn't strong in other ways.

Paul "liked" Robert Fraser the same way Paul "loves" Nancy. Not because he is swept up in some sort of powerful emotion but because Fraser::Nancy are conduits to something Paul needs (that "need" being high society and influence.) And they happily allow Paul to dictate all the terms of their relationship with him. No matter how much of a control freak Paul is, he does not respect people who knuckle under like that. Fraser never stood up to Paul, he allowed Paul to belittle and humiliate him sexually when Paul interrogated him about his sexual experiences at school. Paul took Fraser to Paris with him explicitly to piss John off, a remarkable demonstration of how far Paul was willing to go to use another human being as a game piece in his sex games with John. And Fraser went along with it, demonstrating that he was happy and eager to be controlled and used. And look there's nothing wrong with that if that's your thing but it does indicate to me that he was not trustworthy enough for Paul to have sex with. And Paul is smart enough to know that. Paul likes people with a backbone which is why he put up with Heather Mills for so long. That's not to say that their friendship wasn't genuine or that the quote about "Robert meant freedom" wasn't based in genuine emotion, but Paul always talks about Fraser in materialistic terms. Who Fraser introduced him to, what paintings Fraser got Paul, how useful Fraser was to the Beatles business. Which says a lot about what exactly Paul meant by "freedom."

The other credible candidate that we know of is Denny Laine. It's common speculation that Denny was in a threesome with Paul and Linda which I guess would qualify him as a sexual partner to Paul? But I'm actually hesitant to award that because I don't think a threesome counts as a gay experience due to the presence of Linda. I also think that Paul would not have fucked Denny due to the same reasons he wouldn't have fucked Fraser. If Paul and Denny had sexual contact than Linda was the mitigator and Paul wouldn't have done it one on one. I respect Denny as an artist but he's not someone capable of standing up to Paul, he was permanently on the backfoot because he owed Paul his career. They both knew that and since Denny wasn't willing to give Paul attitude well... Nothing in Paul's character or behavior makes me think he would deign to fuck a sycophant. Which a Denny was, despite his talent and work ethic.

And again there's a big disqualifier that includes both of them: they were men with public ties to Paul, therefore he can't fuck them because that's a liability. Paul has sex with men who take him back to his flat and that he doesn't otherwise know and who don't necessarily care about him.

I don't think there will ever be a satisfactory answer. It's not just John's hold on Paul to consider (though I agree that matters) it's the question of "is Paul willing to fuck or be fucked by a man that isn't John?" And looking at what a control freak Paul is, how wary he is of scandal, it doesn't seem very likely that he'd hook up with other men often if at all. If Paul does have sex with other men then it's in the form of hiring male sex workers and then giving them NDAs that are longer than The Lord of the Rings. And why would he go to all that trouble when he can just have sex with a nice lady, which keeps his reputation intact?

And then there's the question of sexual fidelity and loyalty. I wonder if John was so special to Paul that he doesn't have sex with other men because he feels it would betray John and what they meant to each other. Paul was jealous of John's relationships and I feel safe assuming he hated it when John had sex with other people. So I wonder if Paul would avoid sexual encounters with other men out of loyalty to John and the tattered remains of what they once were.

Personally, I think that Paul does have sex with other men. There's one candidate in particular that I think he was enamored with and would have had a relationship with if things had gone right for once in Paul's life. But the identities of these men will never be known because Paul knows better than to leave evidence behind for anyone to find. And I think it would be infrequent because Paul would feel like he was betraying John and the exclusivity they never had.

I do wonder if Paul and Ringo started having sex in the 1990s but it's not based in anything except that they would be two injured animals comforting each other.

As you can see my answers are all over the place, I've tried to make this come together (lel!!!) into a cohesive whole but it just kind of...refuses. And that's because Paul has done such a good job of keeping this shit locked up tight.

[paulmccartneyexplodingonstage]

classic rock rpf but it’s who is allowed to hit my vape

(i have a crippling addiction and it’s not cool don’t vape kids ❤️)

#1. Paul McCartney - No

as a fellow oral fixation girly this hurts me a bit to do but he’d take a hit and then i’d “mysteriously lose it” five minutes later. also once he learns he can do tricks w it he’s gonna get better at it than i am and i need to have something in this world.

#2. John Lennon - Yes

ok. now listen. he’s also a stealing risk and i trust him maybe even less than paul but i want to see the light enter his eyes when he hits the cool mint geek bar for the first time. after that tho he’s gonna be an incessant rip stealer. so maybe not such a good idea after all

#3. George Harrison - Yes

he’s a POLITE YOUNG MAN. he would even use his words to ask instead of just making grabby hands. he gets a hit whenever he wants.

#4. Ringo Starr - Yes

he gets whatever he wants forever. i honestly don’t think he’d like it very much tho, which is why he can have a hit whenever. he’s not fiending for it like the blowjob brothers over there.

#5. Brian - yes

yes. but he doesn’t even need to ask cuz he has his own 😌✨

#6. George Martin - yes

if anything I’M asking HIM to rip it. puh leez put your mouth on it sir

#7. Robert Fraser - no

he has 6 pod systems but he’s still gonna ask to hit mine. fuck outta here

#8. Bob Dylan - yes

im risking life and limb w him putting his germs on there but whatever he needs some momentary joy. im gonna buy him three of his own

#9. Mike Nesmith - no

if he asks i’m ramming it down his throat (affectionately)

#10. Micky Dolenz - yes

if i say no he’s gonna find a way to hit it anyway so i might as well cut out the middle man. plus he’s a homie and he can do whatever he wants forever

#11. Peter Tork - yes

he’s gonna cough a lot and i’m gonna feel bad but i’m still gonna say yes whenever he asks.

#12. Davy Jones - yes

whatever you say, beautiful. (he’s gonna try to ghost and fail hard)

#13. Joan Baez - yes

im handing all of them over in an instant.

[paulandjohn]

Similar Vibes

On the left is John Lennon with Andy Warhol in New York, 1971

On the right is Paul McCartney with Robert Fraser in London, 1981

[franklyimissparis]

paul mccartney have a normal relationship with an older man challenge (impossible)

[annoyingthemesong]

SUBLIIME CINEMA #669 - KILLERS OF THE FLOWER MOON

A spectacular film from the maestro, one of Scorsese's best. Not a wasted beat, not a wasted frame. Its epic runtime is justified.

This is a film of tremendous power, and I hope as many people as possible see this one in the cinema.

[therobertfrasergang]

"You Are Here", Robert Fraser Gallery, 1968

John Lennon's first major art show together at the Robert Fraser Gallery in London, July 1, 1968

Among those attending were Richard DiLello (inflating balloons), Kevin Harrington, Steve Brendell, Alex Mardas, Derek Taylor, Jill Johnston, Jonathan Cott, Victor Spinetti, Paul Nicholas, Peter Blake, Richard Hamilton and many members of the British and International Press.

John Lennon: "We did a ‘Candid Camera’ film of it, of people’s reactions, ‘cos as you got to the canvas itself, there was just a hat to put money in for the artist. They all reacted to that (laughs) and a little bowl of badges, little teeny white badges that said ‘you are here’, very tiny, that they got. They put some money in the hat and they got a badge, you see... And it’s just a documentary, you know, it’ll be around."

This film is available on YouTube.

'You Are Here' film - from the preparation (30 June) and opening (1 July) of John Lennon's first exhibition You Are Here (to Yoko from John Lennon) at Robert Fraser Gallery, 69 Duke St., Grosvenor Square, London, 1968. Directed by John Lennon. By John Lennon for Yoko. Cameramen: William Waring & Dick Lorriemore. Starring: John & Yoko, Robert Fraser, Neil Aspinall, Derek Taylor, Richard DiLello, Kevin Harrington, Victor Spinetti, Jill Johnston, Richard Hamilton and a cast of hundreds. © Yoko Ono Lennon 1968/2024.

Robert Fraser: “The John Lennon show was very poorly received. Looking back on it, it did have a certain pretentious element. It was fun. I don’t know if it was art. It wasn’t popular.”

— Barry Miles, Many Years From Now (1997)

Bonus:

[beatlesficrecs]

Fic: Managing Expectations

by @pauls1967moustache

Link to fic

Summary:

A shaken and confused Paul runs into Brian, and questions him about his relationship with John. Things escalate into an intense exploration of Paul McCartney's sex and psyche, and come to a halt in the most beautiful way.

Why I like this fic:

Because it's relentless, and because of the way Brian handles Paul.

.